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Hermit Road
6:28 Wed Jul 27
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Stomper still throwing stones from the comfort of his greenhouse I see. Only a few weeks ago he was saying that when he hears of gun killings in the US his first thought is that it is fundamentalist Christians. Naturally.
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Nurse Ratched
6:27 Wed Jul 27
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*rolls eyes*
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stomper
6:25 Wed Jul 27
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Some pretty ugly, self supporting, xenophobic group think happening on this thread.
I dont like it very much and dont believe any of it helps stop, or even understand, the killing.
Lots o' Love
Lefty, teacher, expat
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Hammer and Pickle
5:49 Wed Jul 27
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riosleftsock 5:44 Wed Jul 27
Those values are certainly not exclusively, or even especially, Christian.
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mashed in maryland
5:45 Wed Jul 27
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Things learned on WHO @ 16:09pm:
Doing more than sitting waiting around for people on terror "watch lists" to strike = exactly the same as what Hitler did to the Jews.
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riosleftsock
5:44 Wed Jul 27
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This from the bbc, spot anything disgusting in it?
The murder of Father Jacques Hamel has triggered a bout of reflection among the French on a subject they normally avoid: their relationship with Catholicism and Christian ethics.
Like most European countries, France is in a post-religious phase of its history. Few attend church, and politicians who speak of "Judaeo-Christian" values are often dismissed as right-wing throwbacks.
And yet what the reaction to the jihadi murder campaign of the last 18 months shows is that people are far more influenced by their cultural and religious inheritance than they care to realise.
Since the killings began, there have been no crowds on the streets of Nice or Paris chanting "Death to Islamic State". Instead of flaming torches carried in angry procession, there are candles of remembrance.
European terror attacks
What we know about church attack
Tributes to Fr Jacques Hamel
'I am priest': Solidarity after church attack
What drives individuals to commit mass killings?
No-one in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray turned their attention to the nearby mosque. In the last 18 months, there has been no significant increase in crimes that target Muslims.
Instead there was the Archbishop of Rouen, Dominique Lebrun, on Tuesday saying that in the church of St Etienne there were "three victims" - Father Jacques and the two killers.
"Forgive them - they know not what they do," were the words he later quoted from the gospel.
Image copyright EPA
Image caption Pain - but not hatred - has been the main reaction to jihadist murders
No-one in the country was shocked by the church's reaction to the murder of one of their own - no thirst for vengeance, no anathema against Islam; instead a plea for forbearance and understanding.
As the Archbishop of Paris, Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois, put it: "Our belief in Christ should make us now not fighters and militants, but men of peace, reconciliation and love."
Broadly - stripping out some of the religious language - this is the same message that the politicians are giving out.
From the Socialist government, but also from the centre-right opposition, comes the constant argument: the aim of IS is to make us hate each other; they want our Muslim population to be isolated; they want acts of vengeance. Never let us cede to that temptation.
Image caption "Forgive them - they know not what they do," say church leaders of the killers
To be sure, there are also heated exchanges about levels of security and whether laws should toughened to target potential miscreants. But the essential ethic of tolerance and vivre-ensemble is taken as a given.
Even the far-right - though some might not like to admit it - falls within the mainstream now. When a party commands the vote of a quarter of the population, it can hardly be dismissed as unrepresentative.
And yes, it does call for tough measures like the expulsion of foreign offenders and stringent limits on immigration.
But there has been no visible far-right backlash. No arm-banded march-pasts in the banlieues. The Front National gives voice to an angry and often inarticulate part of the French population, but it has not gone down the way of violence.
Image copyright EPA
Image caption Religious leaders from all faiths have met with President Hollande following the attack
Of course this might change - and the great fear today is that fringe elements on the nationalist far-right decide to take the law into their own hands. That way lies civil conflict and nightmare.
But so far one is bound to observe that the country has reacted to this horrific succession of provocations with good sense and an eye on the higher values.
Most French people will argue that these values - tolerance, respect between peoples, forgiveness, eschewal of violence - are part of the country's enlightened secular tradition.
But of course before that they were something else. They were Christian
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Dr Moose
5:38 Wed Jul 27
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Russ of the BML 2:47 Wed Jul 27
Some German chap in the 30's had that policy.
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Sussex_IRONS
5:38 Wed Jul 27
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Refugee rapes pensioner, 79, in German cemetery while she visited sister's grave
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/693680/refugee-rape-pensioner-eritrea-germany-cemetary-Iddenbueren
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riosleftsock
5:36 Wed Jul 27
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The backlash starts.....?
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mashed in maryland
5:34 Wed Jul 27
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Next to an office for migration, so probably nationalists.
At least the left will come out and condemn something now I suppose.
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violator
5:33 Wed Jul 27
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Nuremburg now
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Dwight Van Mann
5:29 Wed Jul 27
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mashed in maryland 4:28 Wed Jul 27
*whispers..... He means Putin
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mashed in maryland
5:26 Wed Jul 27
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I'm sure the family members of victims of all the latest terror attacks are really happy at the victory their government has snatched from the Jihadists by not bothering to do anything to stop them from killing their loved ones.
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Russ of the BML
4:39 Wed Jul 27
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Hammer and Pickle 4:21 Wed Jul 27
Make you right. It may be out of the Totalitarian cook book but I don't see it as a victory for the terrorists. And I wouldn't care if they saw it as a victory. I see it as actually taking action and making innocent people safe.
Since, say, the attack where they used the lorry in Nice up to now. Do you think this is how we should just go on? Just sitting and waiting for the next one? Because that's what the authorities are basically doing.
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BRANDED
4:32 Wed Jul 27
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They do all have one thing in common though don't they?
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Takashi Miike
4:29 Wed Jul 27
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hahaha, what a nutter
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mashed in maryland
4:28 Wed Jul 27
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Go on then, who are they?
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Hammer and Pickle
4:21 Wed Jul 27
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I fully understand the sentiment Russ, but as you know the problem is with the practice and the devil in the letter off the law. Because as Coffee pointed out earlier much better than I ever could, rounding them up and then finding a charge for each man or woman sets a standard of doing things that is straight out of the Totalitarian's Cook Book, and that would surely be a victory for the terrorists now wouldn't it.
Unfortunately, while there are nutters out there and a particular political agenda to fulfill, we are never going to be even one step ahead, even if we turn the whole of Norfolk into a concentration camp. The task is to go after the political movers, and believe me they ain't Merkel, Soros or Junker.
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Russ of the BML
2:48 Wed Jul 27
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The politicians call it the War on Terror. Well, let's make it a fucking war and see some action.
Anyway, until the next incident. Probably within a week or so.
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Russ of the BML
2:47 Wed Jul 27
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Hammer and Pickle 6:41 Tue Jul 19
That's the problem though isn't it?
The other option is to do nothing. Which is basically what we are doing now. The War on Terror? Do me a fucking favour. It's a load of bollocks. It's a slogan.
All the Western authorities do now is keep known potential Jihadists and fundamentalists on a list. They keep there eye on them. That's really worked well this summer hasn't it? Every one of these cunts was 'known'. How the fuck does that help anyone.
Your daughter or son gets blown up, mowed down or sliced to death by some little fucking scum-bag being bad enough. Then you find out the authorities 'knew' of links to Jihad. Oh, great, thanks for that.
As I said, across Europe, now. Every mother fucker on watch lists should be rounded up and detained. Any one of them that migrated to that country is put on a plane and sent back. Any one born in that country is put in prison to rot. Then you flatten any Mosques, estates or premises that anyone associated with Jihad attends or lives.
Then, luckily for the UK we have now come out of the EU; you tighten borders and do not ever, ever allow free movement of people.
That, is the only way to strop it happening. But unfortunately it will never happen.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:43 Tue Jul 19
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H&P
Ah, I see you are playing the dumb stupidity dressed up in cliche card.
Carry on.
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